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Until we can all be Germans split may be better for europe


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#1 TZAKI

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 02:07 PM

You know the old euro joke about heaven and hell. Heaven is where the British do the policing, the Italians are the lovers, the French are the cooks and the Germans do the engineering. Hell is where the British are the cooks, the Germans are the lovers, the French are the engineers and the Italians run the place.

Well, the European set-up is heavenly at least in the sense the Germans are unquestionably the engineers. In this celestial world we occupy, the cars are German, the washing machines are German, the fibre optics are German and the machine tools are German. The only thing is that the result is very far from heavenly for most of the economies of Europe.

The newspapers are full of gut-wrenching accounts of the suffering of Europe's young unemployed. In Spain they total 50 per cent of the 18- to 24-year-old workforce. We are looking at the massacre of hope and talent, a generation that may never recover its confidence. The same is true, to a greater or lesser extent, across the periphery countries of the euro zone.


But then look at Germany. Here we are in what has been described as the worst global crisis for 50 years, and yet Germany is posting record employment figures. Was passiert, meine Freunde? There must be something about the present situation that is wonderful for Germany, and a nightmare for others. That something is the euro.

Over the past few years, we have become familiar with the fiscal analysis of the problem. We are told that it was all about the failure to uphold the Maastricht Treaty, and the profligate spending and borrowing of Portugal, Spain, Italy and Greece. But that debt problem is at least partly a function of the way the euro works, as a monetary union in which devaluation is impossible. It all boils down to unit labour costs - and unit labour costs are determined, I am afraid, by national stereotypes that have an unfortunate grain of truth.

Let us imagine that there are two factories, producing similar cars, in Germany and Italy. Let us suppose that to assemble and spray each unit costs €1000 in both factories - at least to begin with. Over time, however, history teaches us the German factory will start to find ways of speeding the process up without compromising quality or reliability. By investing in the skills of the workforce and in high-tech capital equipment they will find a way of reducing the unit labour cost to €900. At which point the Italian factory can cut costs themselves, but without the gains in productivity - and face the risk the car will be correspondingly shoddier and they will be rumbled by the consumer. Or else let the more efficiently produced
German machine devour their market.

Before the euro, there was a simple solution. It was devaluation, and if you look at the postwar career of the lira (and just about every European currency) against the deutschmark, you can see how it worked. As the mark appreciated it was more expensive for Italians to buy a German car; and as the Italian currency fell, Italian cars remained a good buy in Germany. The tragedy now is that this option is closed off for the euro zone members - and look at the Italian car industry.
Manufacturers can no longer use the lira to compete on price, and they are being utterly stuffed. Italian car sales fell 15.3 per cent in December, while sales of German cars grew 8.8 per cent. The Italians now produce fewer cars than the British do, and their markets are being relentlessly gobbled by Audis and Beemers. None of this is in any way to disparage the German achievement after the war; indeed, it can be taken as an argument that other European countries should have learnt to be much more like Germany.

Other European countries should have invested in skills and education, and in capital equipment, and in all the things that make the Germans so productive. And in an ideal world the fierce teutonic discipline would now force the rest of Europe to shape up, in the way that Angela Merkel described in her bracing speech in Davos. Over a few decades, that is indeed what might happen. The trouble is that this extra pressure is being placed on the euro zone periphery countries, at exactly the moment when Europe as a whole is facing a massive double squeeze.

The challenge of Asia means that European welfare, pensions and employment standards will be increasingly hard to sustain, and the straitjacket of the euro is preventing the periphery countries from devaluing and going for growth; so more people are thrown out of work, welfare bills rise, debts grow - and Brussels demands more austerity, in a vicious circle of pain. All the while, German exports power ahead. The price of splitting up the euro may indeed be tremendous. But what is the long-term cost of keeping it together?


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:25 PM

i believe and have put money on it to be honest,that greece should leave the euro system and should go back for a few years maybe 5 years to a new drachma system or a new euro.

the drachma or new euro should be linked to the euro,but depreciated by 25 or 30%.

so,Greece has a chance to recover it's tourism and export industries and balance it's budget.

otherwise,Greece is stuck in massive recession for the next 10 years,and this will be hard on all Greeks.

there is no reason to cling to a Euro that offers nothing but misery to this country.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 01:42 PM

Agree 100 % , its beginning to piss me off severely that the Greeks are not debating this as they should to reach the correct conclusion , all I’m hearing is the troika said this and Thomsen said that.

Make a call , kick the bastards out tell Europe to get stuffed ,, don’t pay a zak until the economy looks positive again , nationalise the banks for a few years and the Euro can go take a flying fuck .

Just look after the dying middle class what I’m seeing is that its losing its faith in politics and becoming radicalised to the left and the right , once this occurs we have the situation open for another Junta or worse another civil war , is this too distant a possibility I ask myself , the answer is that my grandfathers’ fought one on both sides , it’s not that hard to imagine again.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 04:07 PM

since one can easily assume that you dont have ulterior motives, one can take your response in a totally different light

you say "the Greeks are not debating this as they should to reach the correct conclusion" and i ask, what is the correct conclusion. and what makes you think that debate did not occur within the inner circle of all the political parties?

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Make a call , kick the bastards out tell Europe to get stuffed ,, don’t pay a zak until the economy looks positive again , nationalise the banks for a few years and the Euro can go take a flying fuck .

now here is an interesting one. far too many think that the "argentina solution" is appropriate and relative to greece. and i ask.... are you aware of the legal and economic obligations undertaken by the country towards the EU, and varified by the various governments of the day, since we "got in". what would the consequences be? not only that, but can one guarantee the situation and consequences for the middle and lower classes be any better than what it is today.? is there even a remote chance of future loans be given by anybody towards greece, considering the performance of all the governments prior to this moment? lets not forget that practically declaring bankruptcy would not be the first time or greece as a nation. thus reputation is seriousy at stake, and as you might know, reputation is everything when it comes to get any forms of loans.

now you might say "we dont need loans". but here is the rub..... the greek state, both traditionally, and runnig through its core psyche, has this mentality of surviving via loans. to survive without loans it would be forced to actually get their fingures out of their asses and collect taxes and chase those who dont. strangely. this is exactly what is happenning now.

which brings me to the next question.. nationalization. THAT is one of the most stupid undertaking ever. and if anything, knowing the nature of the beast, efficiency goes out the window. not to say the situation of the likes of photopoulos, for example, holding each government by the balls, and thinking that "he" is actually running the show. If anything liberalization and promoting competitiveness is what makes things tick. the government of the day would have the responsibility of protecting joe citizen from monopolies.....which is basically the "right wing" version of the "left wing" nationalization

the real issue is , that the government of the moment is hitting hard at those who least can afford it. ie. they are taking it out on the wrong people

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Just look after the dying middle class what I’m seeing is that its losing its faith in politics and becoming radicalised to the left and the right , once this occurs we have the situation open for another Junta or worse another civil war , is this too distant a possibility I ask myself , the answer is that my grandfathers’ fought one on both sides , it’s not that hard to imagine again.

absolutely correct. but lets face it, politics is a reflection of those who voted those into power. so, blaming politics is stupid to say the least. all those years of "πελατειακή πολιτή" had a direct correlation to those who responded. the real issue is , is it not time for the citizens to actually have a real look in the mirror, before pointing the proverbial finger at everybody and everywhere to find fault and excuses for their own sins. when is the last time average joe citizen voted for the representative worthy of representing them, as opposed to which party they belonged to? i would suggest the percentage will be close to nil.

what we are talking here about is average joe taking responsibility of their own actions, instead of blaming others

at the and of the day, yes , and i concur with you 1000%, the citizens of the lower and middle calls are paying by far too heavy a price for the sins of the predecessors. what is needed is, and this for starters, law be enforced, and not sidelined for the convenience of some. take away the tools of manipulation from the privileged, eg the ridiculous practice of delayed tactics until those who cant afford to get justice, finally give up. those who are guilty get put away, as opposed to eventually let them walking. and i am not talking about serious crimes here, like murder etc. either

here is another example. tax......now i dont need to get into that. most are fully aware of what is going on

surely their are many many more examples, so i need not elaborate further

again, strangley enough, these are issues that the dreaded Troika and the like want to and try to address.

my position is, their approach is completely wrong, aka forcing the general populace to abject poverty and misery. and in the process seemingly to protects the financial institutions. for as i am concerned. yes, those who default on their loans must pay the price, BUT so did those who gave the loans willy nilly and knowing, as it is apparent today, that they can get away with murder. hell .... the financial institutions where getting bonuses for things they had no rights to - aka capitalism gone completely wrong and haywire.




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