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[Roman]

Hi all!

I am a 26 years old Greek, just finished my Masters degree and looking for a future in Information Technology. I have already worked in the past years in some companies, but i am looking forward to have a go in Australia. I've met a few Aussies in my summer vacations and they seemed to be really friendly and relaxed, something that makes me feel a bit more acceptable in the society. Could someone give me a few tips about Australian life in general? Are people more liberal and not so "uptight" as people seem to be on most European countries?

Also i am wondering about the salary and how easy would be for me to get a working visa. Do you think that it worths the try? I also have no relatives there and any tips for some good places and some general advice about the weather, pros and cons of Australia would be really welcome..

Thanks :D

[Roman]

Roman, on 06 September 2010 - 10:12 AM, said:

Hi all!

I am a 26 years old Greek, just finished my Masters degree and looking for a future in Information Technology. I have already worked in the past years in some companies, but i am looking forward to have a go in Australia. I've met a few Aussies in my summer vacations and they seemed to be really friendly and relaxed, something that makes me feel a bit more acceptable in the society. Could someone give me a few tips about Australian life in general? Are people more liberal and not so "uptight" as people seem to be on most European countries?

Also i am wondering about the salary and how easy would be for me to get a working visa. Do you think that it worths the try? I also have no relatives there and any tips for some good places and some general advice about the weather, pros and cons of Australia would be really welcome..

Thanks :D

Interesting.. I've just found out about a working holiday visa scheme that allows citizens of some countries to work for up to 12 months, but Greece is not included while Cyprus is? That's so odd :S

working holiday visa

Edited by Roman, 06 September 2010 - 10:24 AM.

[TZAKI]

cypress, is under the commonwealth government thats why.

however there are other visas............. you need to look into it

go to the Australian Embassy in Athens and they can help, the fact that you have a degree it will be easier to come in.

I was speaking to a lady who is a nuclear scientist from Argentina, she has been in Australia for 2 years and now is a citizen she also had to do a course here and she did cooking go figure....

Come to Australia, your very welcome Roman!!!!

[Roman]

TZAKI, on 06 September 2010 - 10:32 AM, said:

cypress, is under the commonwealth government thats why.

however there are other visas............. you need to look into it

go to the Australian Embassy in Athens and they can help, the fact that you have a degree it will be easier to come in.

I was speaking to a lady who is a nuclear scientist from Argentina, she has been in Australia for 2 years and now is a citizen she also had to do a course here and she did cooking go figure....

Come to Australia, your very welcome Roman!!!!

Thanks for the tip Tzaki. However i'd like to know some more info about Australia, it's people, the culture, food, climate, cities that feel better for Greeks instantly etc..

:D

[TZAKI]

normal working hours is 9am -5pm however if your in IT your hours will probably be different. You get 1 hour for lunch, 4 weeks annual leave, and 5 days sick leave, unless your terms of employment are different.

Australia is Multi-cultured, so you'll see kinezi, itali, germani, argentinias, livanesi, irakini. However, some suburbs tend to attract same races.

All races working together.

Food............... you can get any food you like, Greek, Italian, chinese, french, mexican, thai etc etc... Don't be scared you won't starve. Our weather is hot humid in Summer, winter is nothing like Greece its a lot milder. People are generally friendly, as for Greeks, there all over the place!!!!

[ΜΑΝΙΑΤΗΣ]

Stay in Greece, she needs you.

[Greek for Life]

Roman, on 06 September 2010 - 10:37 AM, said:

i'd like to know some more info about Australia, it's people, the culture, food, climate, cities that feel better for Greeks instantly etc..

:D

Just look through this forum
Και θα καταλάβεις πολλά !

[phoneyid]

Roman, on 06 September 2010 - 10:12 AM, said:

Hi all!

I am a 26 years old Greek, just finished my Masters degree and looking for a future in Information Technology. I have already worked in the past years in some companies, but i am looking forward to have a go in Australia. I've met a few Aussies in my summer vacations and they seemed to be really friendly and relaxed, something that makes me feel a bit more acceptable in the society. Could someone give me a few tips about Australian life in general? Are people more liberal and not so "uptight" as people seem to be on most European countries?

Also i am wondering about the salary and how easy would be for me to get a working visa. Do you think that it worths the try? I also have no relatives there and any tips for some good places and some general advice about the weather, pros and cons of Australia would be really welcome..

Thanks :D

g'day Roman.
If you are considering migrating to Australia; consider that it's likely your Grandchildren will not speak Greek or at least probably speak it somewhat worse than the 1st generation Russians that have migrated to Greece.

For permanency or short stay.... Melbourne has the highest population of Greeks, and therefore more likely to retain all things Greek. The weather stinks. Along with Sydney it has most night life.
Queensland has the best climate; beautiful one day and perfect the next.

If the holidaying Australians you have met seem to be "friendly and relaxed"; then I'm not surprised; most holidaying people are.
Having said that; we do tend to even view ourselves as 'laid back', we are so much so that when one of our past Prime Ministers Harold Holt disappeared, we just went ahead and got ourselves another one, without too much fuss.
Politically or philosophically and even morally we may even be "κοιμισμένοι", as I have heard the charge made by some Greeks.
But then again, I might be a bit harsh for some standards, as I am very disillusioned with Australia's involvement in unjust wars.

I'm sorry that I am unable to offer you any advise on employment, but perhaps someone else will if we nudge the conversation along.
Keep in mind; some of the Greek 'nationalists' here are loath to offer any advice that may result in money or 'assets' leaving Greece. As evidence of this' I'd draw your attention to a topic started by Russel 'kick the ethnics out' where he effectively acknowledged my accusation of seeking to have us 'perceive a threat in our 'adopted' lands; or perhaps even wish to promote a threat...' and thereby encourage us to migrate to Greece with our assets to assist in the current economic down.

If scepticism and cynicism brought wealth, then I'd be able to make you a rich man; but in the wealth department; perhaps Russel would be a better bet.
Russ??

[ΜΑΝΙΑΤΗΣ]

Nothing wrong with encouraging Greeks to return to their homeland. Only an idiot would compare it to Zionism.

[Roman]

phoneyid, on 06 September 2010 - 10:56 PM, said:

g'day Roman.
If you are considering migrating to Australia; consider that it's likely your Grandchildren will not speak Greek or at least probably speak it somewhat worse than the 1st generation Russians that have migrated to Greece.

For permanency or short stay.... Melbourne has the highest population of Greeks, and therefore more likely to retain all things Greek. The weather stinks. Along with Sydney it has most night life.
Queensland has the best climate; beautiful one day and perfect the next.

If the holidaying Australians you have met seem to be "friendly and relaxed"; then I'm not surprised; most holidaying people are.
Having said that; we do tend to even view ourselves as 'laid back', we are so much so that when one of our past Prime Ministers Harold Holt disappeared, we just went ahead and got ourselves another one, without too much fuss.
Politically or philosophically and even morally we may even be "κοιμισμένοι", as I have heard the charge made by some Greeks.
But then again, I might be a bit harsh for some standards, as I am very disillusioned with Australia's involvement in unjust wars.

I'm sorry that I am unable to offer you any advise on employment, but perhaps someone else will if we nudge the conversation along.
Keep in mind; some of the Greek 'nationalists' here are loath to offer any advice that may result in money or 'assets' leaving Greece. As evidence of this' I'd draw your attention to a topic started by Russel 'kick the ethnics out' where he effectively acknowledged my accusation of seeking to have us 'perceive a threat in our 'adopted' lands; or perhaps even wish to promote a threat...' and thereby encourage us to migrate to Greece with our assets to assist in the current economic down.

If scepticism and cynicism brought wealth, then I'd be able to make you a rich man; but in the wealth department; perhaps Russel would be a better bet.
Russ??

I do not consider myself "migrating to Australia" for good. The days when massive waves of Greeks going to Australia, Canada and the States portrayed as the "Promised Land" is now an abandoned concept. I'm more keen visiting Australia and working in parallel as a lifetime experience. I have to say that life in Athens is not ideal and i get more intimidated by Greeks who moan all day and are glued to their TV screens. Is not about the recent economic downfall, i've always had the same feeling.

So, i'm just up for a new experience and then moving somewhere else. I do not like sticking in one place. I'm still young and wanna live my self before retiring having family kids etc.. i'm certainly not on that boat yet :P

Btw, i've checked the post and it seems that Greeks are associated to the WOG stereotype? Wow.. that's sad. Are all Greeks considered Wogs or is it something that is demeaning for people who are dressed and behave in a certain way?

Thanks.

Edited by Roman, 07 September 2010 - 12:07 AM.

[phoneyid]

ΜΑΝΙΑΤΗΣ, on 06 September 2010 - 11:19 PM, said:

Nothing wrong with encouraging Greeks to return to their homeland. Only an idiot would compare it to Zionism.

No coffee today MANIA?; you didn't get it.
I compared Russel to the Zionists forefathers in their promoting of fear and hatred.
I also said that the 'nationalists' would be loath to offer advice. Russel is an easier target on this issue, he's less guarded than you. But then you've also made it obvious in this case that the boy's interests are secondary.
"Stay in Greece, she needs you."
If you move permanently to Greece, will Greece by the richer for it?
You got any other advice for the boy?

Roman, "wog" is not a term we expect to hear (to our faces) today. It's more likely to be used by Greeks or Italians than others.
If I recall correctly, Maniatis recently claimed never to have been called it. He must be either under 30 years of age or seven feet tall. Russel wouldn't really know, he doesn't live in Australia.

[ΜΑΝΙΑΤΗΣ]

phoneyid, on 07 September 2010 - 12:06 AM, said:

No coffee today MANIA?; you didn't get it.

Sorry, I don't drink coffee.

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I compared Russel to the Zionists forefathers in their promoting of fear and hatred.

Only if you're stupid enough to take him seriously.

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I also said that the 'nationalists' would be loath to offer advice. Russel is an easier target on this issue, he's less guarded than you.

How exactly am I "guarded"?

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But then you've also made it obvious in this case that the boy's interests are secondary.

I place the national interest above that of a complete stranger. How dare I?

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"Stay in Greece, she needs you."

She does.

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If you move permanently to Greece, will Greece by the richer for it?

Possibly; I'm not in a position to make that call.

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You got any other advice for the boy?

No. Should I?

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Roman, "wog" is not a term we expect to hear (to our faces) today. It's more likely to be used by Greeks or Italians than others.
If I recall correctly, Maniatis recently claimed never to have been called it. He must be either under 30 years of age or seven feet tall. Russel wouldn't really know, he doesn't live in Australia.

Or both. Or neither.

[phoneyid]

You might also like to read some of this topic to get an understanding of Racial attitudes among Australians.
REAL Greeks Aren't Xenophobes There Are Many Xenophobes on GC
Keeping in mind that unlike Greece, we are meant to be a 'multicultural' country, which has experienced far less undocumented immigration than Greece. Mind you, I did bait them with the inflammatory topic title.

I'll add, as a Greek, I doubt you will experience any persecution here.

[phoneyid]

ΜΑΝΙΑΤΗΣ, on 07 September 2010 - 12:47 AM, said:

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Roman, "wog" is not a term we expect to hear (to our faces) today. It's more likely to be used by Greeks or Italians than others.
If I recall correctly, Maniatis recently claimed never to have been called it. He must be either under 30 years of age or seven feet tall. Russel wouldn't really know, he doesn't live in Australia.

Or both. Or neither.

True

[phoneyid]

ΜΑΝΙΑΤΗΣ, on 07 September 2010 - 12:47 AM, said:

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But then you've also made it obvious in this case that the boy's interests are secondary.

I place the national interest above that of a complete stranger. How dare I?

Understand Roman??
If you've come looking for φιλοξενία and advice, MANIA is taking no prisoners, as usual. No free feed here MATE!

We are a diverse population, as you can see.

[ΜΑΝΙΑΤΗΣ]

phoneyid, on 07 September 2010 - 12:51 AM, said:

You might also like to read some of this topic to get an understanding of Racial attitudes among Australians.
REAL Greeks Aren't Xenophobes There Are Many Xenophobes on GC
Keeping in mind that unlike Greece, we are meant to be a 'multicultural' country, which has experienced far less undocumented immigration than Greece. Mind you, I did bait them with the inflammatory topic title.

I'll add, as a Greek, I doubt you will experience any persecution here.

Yes, I found the irony of that title particularly amusing. How can someone who isn't Greek in any meaningful sense pontificate on what a "real" Greek is?

[ΜΑΝΙΑΤΗΣ]

phoneyid, on 07 September 2010 - 01:02 AM, said:

Understand Roman??
If you've come looking for φιλοξενία and advice, MANIA is taking no prisoners, as usual. No free feed here MATE!

We are a diverse population, as you can see.

Δεν χρωστάω τίποτα σε κανέναν. Σε αντίθεση με σένα, που χρωστάς της Μιχαλούς...

[Blue Tongued Skink]

In! In! In! In! In!,.. in you come. I am reptillian trash, completely out of touch with the cities,... but if there is any minority here that I want bolstered in numbers on this island,..it is more and more Greeks,.. love em' ..keep them coming, and bring more with you.

*fffflicker*

[ΜΑΝΙΑΤΗΣ]

Blue Tongue, on 07 September 2010 - 01:49 PM, said:

In! In! In! In! In!,.. in you come. I am reptillian trash, completely out of touch with the cities,... but if there is any minority here that I want bolstered in numbers on this island,..it is more and more Greeks,.. love em' ..keep them coming, and bring more with you.

*fffflicker*

Oh yeah, work that tongue baby...

[ellin]

Roman, on 06 September 2010 - 10:12 AM, said:

Hi all!

I am a 26 years old Greek, just finished my Masters degree and looking for a future in Information Technology. I have already worked in the past years in some companies, but i am looking forward to have a go in Australia. I've met a few Aussies in my summer vacations and they seemed to be really friendly and relaxed, something that makes me feel a bit more acceptable in the society. Could someone give me a few tips about Australian life in general? Are people more liberal and not so "uptight" as people seem to be on most European countries?

Also i am wondering about the salary and how easy would be for me to get a working visa. Do you think that it worths the try? I also have no relatives there and any tips for some good places and some general advice about the weather, pros and cons of Australia would be really welcome..

Thanks :D

hi roman,
άκου παιδί μου , έχω γεννηθεί στον Καναδά, έχω ζήσει αρκετά χρόνια στην Ελλάδα, όπως έχω ζήσει και αρκετά χρόνια στον Καναδά και σχεδόν 3 μήνες στο Περθ της Αυστραλίας, η φύση της εργασίας μου είναι τέτοια που ταξιδεύω πάρα πολύ σε διάφορες χώρες. Τώρα είμαι στην Αγγλία. Καταλαβαίνω πως τα πράγματα στην Ελλάδα είναι κάπως περίεργα και επαγγελματικά αξίζεις κάτι καλύτερο από το να επισκευάζεις computers στο Πλαίσιο. Για μένα όλοι οι Ελληνες πρέπει να βοηθήσουν την Ελλάδα αλλά καταλαβαίνω ότι η πολιτική αυτη τη στιγμή είναι να μας διώξουν όλους από την Ελλάδα απλά για να αποδυναμωθεί η πατρίδα μας.΄Σκέψου την κλασσική Ελληνίδα μάνα που ιστορικά έχει αποδείξει τι μπορεί να κάνει , σκέψου πόσο πόνο νιώθει μια μάνα όταν της παίρνουν τα παιδιά της. Αυτό συμβαίνει με την Ελλάδα και τους Ελληνες, φεύγουν οι Ελληνες και έρχονται οι πακιστανοί αλβανοί ρουμάνοι και βούλγαροι. Αν θες να δοκιμάσεις το εξωτερικό μπορείς αλλά καλύτερα πιστεύω να δοκιμάσεις κάποια ευρωπαική χώρα . Θα είσαι πολύ πιο κοντά στην πατρίδα και αυτό για έναν Ελληνα που εργάζεται στο εξωτερικό πιστεψέ με είναι πολύ σημαντικό. Επίσεις δες και για Καναδά , δεν είναι εύκολο αλλά καμιά σχέση με την Αυστραλία . Δεν κατηγορώ όλους τους Αυστραλούς και προς Θεού ούτε και τους Ελληνες που μένουν εκεί αλλά η Αυστραλία είναι μια χώρα για ΜΠΕΚΡΙΔΕΣ ΑΝΩΜΑΛΟΥΣ ΠΑΙΔΕΡΑΣΤΕΣ με μια ηλίθια ΥΠΟΚΟΥΛΤΟΥΡΑ και που οι κλασσικές ανθρώπινες αξίες του ευρωπαικού - ελληνικού πολιτισμού απλά δεν υπάρχουν. Σε 2 εξόδους μου στο Περθ έσπασα 4 αυστραλούς στο ξύλο και με συνέλαβε και η αστυνομία χαχαχαχαχαχαχαχαχχαχα, Είναι μια χώρα που το αντριλίκι το μετράνε με το πόσο πίνεις και οι γυναίκες θεωρούν φυσιολογικό να ξερνοβολάει κάποιος στο κρεβάτι τους . Επίσης έννοιες όπως η φιλία ο σεβασμός είναι σχεδόν άγνωστες. Το κλίμα είναι όπως στο Φαληράκι της Ρόδου και στη Ζάκυνθο τα καλοκαίρια με τους άγγλους τουρίστες. Μόνο που οι άγγλοι όταν γυρίζουν σπίτι τους γίνονται νορμάλ (όσο νορμάλ μπορεί να γίνει ένας άγγλος ) ενώ οι αυστραλοί είναι μόνιμα χάλια
Το καλύτερο είναι να κάτσεις στην Ελλάδα και να ψάξεις κάπου εκτός Αθήνας , αν όχι καλύτερα Ευρώπη για να νιώθεις ασφάλεια με πολλά προνόμια επαγγελματικά και κοινωνική προστασία . Ο Καναδάς είναι μια σούπερ χώρα όπου ζεις πάρα πολύ καλά.