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[bubblytee]

ok if you have time watch all 5 parts of this:



here are my questions

-did they really know pear harbour was getting bombed
-did they really create those wars for profit?
-did you even know about the amero?
-do we have to pay taxes?
-micro chipping? i know this is something that is coming...
-media does control our movements?


this thing got me thinking?

[phoneyid]

-did they really know pear harbour was getting bombed
YES... Australian intelligence also warned them of the Jap Navy presence in the Pacific.

-did they really create those wars for profit?
God I love naive women

-did you even know about the amero?
Proposed currency of Nth American, Mexo and Canadian Union (Like EURO or Asia Pacific Union)

-do we have to pay taxes?
That's an American video... Only Corporations use to have income tax in USA until the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank in Dec 23rd 1913 (it's a cartel of private banks, most or nearly all accountants and economists you meet are unaware of this) It was passed when most Congressman had gone home for their Christmas break; it use to be customary not to vote on important bills before Christmas break.
I don't know about us, but...
in 1946 Under Chifley we had a referendum, outcome was for a pension Fund for all workers to be paid for with an increase in Tax of 7.5%.. Robert Menzies raided it. According to this publication, actuaries have calculated that the current pension should be $6000 p.a. higher. Not to mention that we are all expected to have our own super, but don't expect that 7.5% to stop.
-micro chipping? i know this is something that is coming...
It's already here...RFID.. small groups. There are even reports of 'elite' clubs where members can have a chip implanted and not have to be burdened with carying a wallet.
-media does control our movements?
Just like Sheep. And now that you're "thinking" the other sheep will be upset with you if you take a different path.
Goebells adopted the phrase: "Tell a Lie That is Big Enough, and Repeat it Often Enough, and the Whole World Will Believe It". He assumed the world would not be gullible enough to believe "little lies," but the bigger the lie, the more likely it is that people would eventually accept it as true.



this thing got me thinking?

[eyoismos]

I don't know if the vids you pointed to showed the whole movie - the original also made huge commentaries about religion too (youtube to slow for me but if you want to download the full version..... Zeitgeist Movie - final edition )

wars are always motivated for power, control and ultimately profits. the instigators the former two, the last, or for the opportunists. in fact the 2nd world war was what made America the financial giant that it is......to thepoint whereby even ......well.......maybe you should visit this site:

George Duncan's Historical Facts of Word War II from which I extract:

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A FAMOUS CHURCHILL SPEECH In a memorable speech, Churchill asked America "Give us the tools and we will finish the job." But America wouldn't 'give' anything without payment. After two years of war, Roosevelt had drained Britain dry, stripping her of all her assets in the USA, including real estate and property. The British owned Viscose Company, worth �125 million was liquidated, Britain receiving only �87 million. Britain's �1,924 million investments in Canada were sold off to pay for raw materials bought in the United States. To make sure that Roosevelt got his money, he dispatched the American cruiser USS Louisville to the South African naval base of Simonstown to pick up �42 million worth of British gold, Britain's last negotiable asset, to help pay for American guns and ammunition. Not content with stripping Britain of her gold and assets, in return for 50 old World War I destroyers, (desperately needed by Britain as escort vessels) he demanded that Britain transfer all her scientific and technological secrets to the USA. Also, he demanded 99 year leases on the islands of Newfoundland, Jamaica, Trinidad and Bermuda for the setting up of American military and naval bases in case Britain should fall.

Of the 50 lend-lease destroyers supplied to Britain, seven were lost during the war. The first was taken over by a British crew on September 9, 1940. After 1943, when no longer useful, eight were sent to Russia, while the others were manned by French, Polish and Norwegian crews. These destroyers were renamed when they arrived in Britain. All were given the name of a town or city, hence the term 'Town Class' destroyer. During the course of the war, Britain had received 12 Billion, 775 million dollars worth of goods under the Lend-Lease program.

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Lord Beaverbrook was later to exclaim "The Japanese are our relentless enemies, and the Americans our un-relenting creditors."

did Joe American know anything about this....absolutely not

and there are many other references to many other situations of those sad tragic times, like.......while the war was in full swing, certain American companies continued to trade VERY actively with the German War Machine. Only SOME of them where exposed during the Nuremburg trials........(still doing some research on this so i cannot comment if and how they got busted as of yet)


As for the paying taxes bit just how many people tried to pull THAT angle and still got busted by the Revenue authority in the States - ie. its a myth - and if you did some basic research this would verify it


now i could comment on many of your other questions, but what i would suggest is, that one views this movie "Zeitgeist" with some skepticism, in the form of .......they are asking questions......rather than portraying the gospel truth

for example, some of the stuff they mention about religion, if one does a little bit of digging, can basically, i couldn't call it debunking, but rather a sort of manipulation of the truth, whatever that might be, where some of the "facts" the put forward are basically not false but not true either, sort of .....the selective reading and presentation that i often find many are guilty of, and portraying partial truths as full truths

the same goes for everything else

in other words.......its like wiki.......great as a starting point, but not exactly reliable

[phoneyid]

Let me say, I'm certainly no historian, nor have I done extensive research on this issue; but I'm satisfied from what I've read to comfortably reject the official version.
Just as I reject their version of 911. Why even PNAC's own website stated that they would view "a new Pearl Harbor" as an incident to overcome public resistance to war for the sake of "American Interests"(colonialist intentions).

"Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event � like a
new Pearl Harbor." see their own [url="http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf"]PDF[/url] or [url="http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:ruMnHnl98cAJ:www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf+%22new+pearl+harbor%22+site:newamericancentury.org&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au&client=firefox-a"]view as html[/url]

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did Joe American know anything about this....absolutely not
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Depends if by "J.A." you mean 'Joe Public' or those in positions of authority who were in a position to influence American actions in order to prevent the attack.
[url="http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/pearl/www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.html"]This site presents an (one) timeline of events[/url] that points to significant foreknowledge which wasn't acted on.

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and there are many other references to many other situations of those sad tragic times, like.......while the war was in full swing, certain American companies continued to trade VERY actively with the German War Machine. Only SOME of them where exposed during the Nuremburg trials........(still doing some research on this so i cannot comment if and how they got busted as of yet)[/quote]

Not just certain ones, but some of the biggest. IBM assisted The NAZIs in computer punch card tabulation of their prisoner population.
Rockafellar's Standard Oil supplied the NAZIs with high quality aeroplane fuel.
Prescott Bush as a Director (Father of Prez Bush 1st) had his banking company confiscated under the 'trading with the enemy' act. He'd been laundering money.

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As for the paying taxes bit just how many people tried to pull THAT angle and still got busted by the Revenue authority in the States - ie. its a myth - and if you did some basic research this would verify it
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And yet it's true that USA Citizens paid no Federal income taxes prior to 1913. There were duties and levies on imports, and corporations paid income taxes.
Now it's the opposite, for us it's the opposite of that too; we subsidise globalist corporations to 'entice them' here and the biggest corporations pay less tax/$.
See US Candidate for Republican Presidential Preselection Candidate Ron Paul address the issue of 'the Fed'.


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now i could comment on many of your other questions, but what i would suggest is, that one views this movie "Zeitgeist" with some skepticism, in the form of .......they are asking questions......rather than portraying the gospel truth[/quote]
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for example, some of the stuff they mention about religion, if one does a little bit of digging, can basically, i couldn't call it debunking, but rather a sort of manipulation of the truth, whatever that might be, where some of the "facts" the put forward are basically not false but not true either, sort of .....the selective reading and presentation that i often find many are guilty of, and portraying partial truths as full truths

the same goes for everything else

in other words.......its like wiki.......great as a starting point, but not exactly reliable
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Thanks eyoismos
For an eye opening understanding on the creation of money I can recommend this (pt1 of a) 5pt series (50min). The mind boggles.

This further long 3.5 hour video is very interesting too... crappy sound and video.
[url="http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936&ei=XI2TStHCHJH-wQOqotQ6&q=money+masters&hl=en&client=firefox-a"]The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America[/url]

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And what do you propose to do about it, other than bitch?

[eyoismos]

ok

first of all....

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And yet it's true that USA Citizens paid no Federal income taxes prior to 1913. There were duties and levies on imports, and corporations paid income taxes.

taxes have been around since the first even signs of "civilization" but often where called by other names, but in the end, no matter what "clothing" it was portatrayed to be.....it still was taxes - hell....boston tea party comes to mind

so let us not be naive

and talking about borders of naivety...the monet masters documentary is NO different than Zeitgeist.....sensationalism of conspiracy theories for the consumption of the masses, ..........yet, still, MAYBE some elements of truth somewhere in there

The ONLY thing that I don't understand in the "financial world"or condone, in fact if anything down right infuriating is how is it that banks, with the full blessing of the corresponding countries concerned, can actually lend more money out WITHOUT having the corresponding assets to cover those loans, AND the countries and governments have the audacity to guarantee those loans.......under the guise of "providing certain measures are put in place" or other bullshit "political speak"

and then we talk about world debt - whereby EVERY country owes money, except, at the moment, China, yet THE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP

it is exactly this that movies like zetgeist and money makers find a certain basis to come up with some pretty wild theories

( I in fact brought this subject up some time back and never a reasonable or logical explanation was brought forward - sure individuals and organizations are the benefactors of these loans, and yet.........it still doesn't tie up - in the computer world, the corresponding equivalent would be called "vaporware")

[bubblytee]

eyo, i didnt know zeitgeist was a religious movement? i actually dont even know what the name means... but it gets you thinking doesnt it? maybe we are just little lambs being herded into the wolfs lair... anyways you know how i think on political issues (i dont) but when i see stuff like this it always makes me think of revalations for some reason?

[eyoismos]

zeitgeist is NOT a religious movement. but one of the topics in the said movie/doc was about religion.

zeitgeist is a germna word or rather expression whcih loosely translates to "spirit of the times" - or so a german friend told me, and covers what is supposed to be an outlook of just about anything a particular generation is pre-occupied with - or so he described it

but like you said...it gets you thinking, or is supposed to, and the key word is THINK, and not to be assumed in any way a description of facts

if the movie has done that....get you thinking......it has served it purpose. But if it leads you to become eventually fatalistic.. it has failed its purpose, or so its name implies

that's my theory at least